
Ep. 211 · Mar 8, 2026
In this episode of the Modern Pain Podcast, host Mark Kargela sits down with Jim Stark, an insightful and experienced physical therapist with over 30 years in the field. Jim discusses the limitations of our current 'illness care system' and shares his journey of integrating holistic and spiritual approaches into physical therapy, focusing on chronic and persistent pain. Learn about the importance of being authentic, the concept of narrative medicine, and powerful, practical strategies like br...

In this episode of the Modern Pain Podcast, host Mark Kargela sits down with Jim Stark, an insightful and experienced physical therapist with over 30 years in the field. Jim discusses the limitations of our current 'illness care system' and shares his journey of integrating holistic and spiritual approaches into physical therapy, focusing on chronic and persistent pain. Learn about the importance of being authentic, the concept of narrative medicine, and powerful, practical strategies like breathing exercises for durable impact. Jim also highlights the significance of seeing patients outside the confines of conventional treatment and creating a supportive environment for true healing. Don't miss his valuable advice and resources for clinicians aiming to enrich their practice and transform patient care. 00:00 Introduction to the Illness Care System
01:06 Jim's Path to Physical Therapy
02:20 Spiritual Growth and Patient Healing Stories
03:47 Changing the Narrative in Healthcare
07:55 The Role of PTs and OTs in Pain Management
12:36 Breathing Techniques for Pain Relief
19:18 Strategies for Patient Empowerment
31:34 Conclusion and Final ThoughtsFree resources from Jim
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MSPT from GVSU in 1993. I have always worked in rural communities with a mixture of inpatient, outpatient and home care. Retired from full time clinical work in 2018 and started Aphora Pain Education. The focus of Aphora is to attempt to guide other clinicians to improve the care of patients living
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