Guest EpisodeEpisode 190 · August 10, 2025

Brain vs Body? How Emotions Shape Pain – With Dr. Mark Lumley

Most chronic pain care ignores one of the most powerful drivers of symptoms: our emotions. In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Mark Lumley, a leading researcher in Emotional Awareness and Expression Therapy (EAET), to explore how unprocessed emotions, trauma, and life stressors can directly influence pain — and what to do about it. We break down: -The differences and overlaps between EAET and Pain Reprocessing Therapy (PRT) -How to help patients shift from body-focused to brain-focused vie...

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Most chronic pain care ignores one of the most powerful drivers of symptoms: our emotions. In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Mark Lumley, a leading researcher in Emotional Awareness and Expression Therapy (EAET), to explore how unprocessed emotions, trauma, and life stressors can directly influence pain — and what to do about it. We break down:
-The differences and overlaps between EAET and Pain Reprocessing Therapy (PRT)
-How to help patients shift from body-focused to brain-focused views of pain
-Cultural and healthcare system barriers to addressing emotions in pain care
-Practical, evidence-based strategies for clinicians and patients
-Where the research is heading — and what it means for the future of pain treatment Resources Mentioned:
•Dr. Mark Lumley’s University Page•Howard Schubiner’s Unlearn Your Pain•Association for the Treatment of Neuroplastic Symptoms (ATNS)🎧 Subscribe to The Modern Pain Podcast: @ModernPainPodcast

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About the Guest

Mark A. Lumley, PhD

Mark A. Lumley, PhD

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Mark A. Lumley, Ph.D., is a clinical psychologist and Distinguished Professor in the Department of Psychology at Wayne State University, Detroit, Michigan. His research program is internationally recognized for understanding how emotional processes, such as the lack of emotional awareness, or “alexi

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